5.6.b.2 New England Connections
I have two distinct lines of the family called Olliver in my database, but I am looking primarily for any information that might link the lines of Edward “of Dallington” Olliver and Captain Thomas Olliver of Massachusetts who married Grace Prentice, the daughter of Captain Thomas “Trooper” Prentice. I have little reason to believe they were connected, but then again, they might have been. There is no documentation to date to link the two families.
Thomas Goldinge of Sussex, England and Annis Olliver
1 Matthew GOLDINGE b: Abt. 1510 in Warbleton, Sussex, England, d: 11 Mar 1542 in Dallington, Sussex, England + Johane b: Abt. 1510, d: England
...2 Thomas Goldinge b: Abt. 1530 in Warbleton, Sussex, England, d: 19 Apr 1609 in Warbleton, Sussex, England + Jone BREACHE b: Abt. 1543 in Sussex, England, m: 01 Jul 1565 in Warbleton, Sussex, England, d: Abt. 1558 in Throwley, Kent, England
......3 Thomas Goldinge b: 1577 in Warbleton, Sussex, England, d: Abt. 1631 in Herstmonceaux, Sussex, England + Annis or Agnes Olliver b: 1584 in Dallington, Sussex, England, m: 11 Sep 1610 in Dallington, Sussex, England + Elizabeth Reed b: Abt. 1580, m: Warbleton, Sussex, England
Descendants of Edward Olliver of Dallington, Sussex
1 Edward "of Dallington" OLLIVER b: 1558 in Dallington, Sussex, England, d: Abt. 1610 in Dallington, Sussex, England + Annis Person b: 1558 in Dallington, Sussex, England, m: 1573 in Catfield, Norfolk, England
...2 Annis or Agnes Olliver b: 1584 in Dallington, Sussex, England + Thomas Goldinge b: 1577 in Warbleton, Sussex, England, m: 11 Sep 1610 in Dallington, Sussex, England, d: Abt. 1631 in Herstmonceaux, Sussex, England + First husband
...2 Captain Edward OLLIVER b: Abt. 1590 in Dallington, Sussex, England, d: Aft. 1639 + Annis Greenyer b: Abt. 1584 in Dallington, Sussex, England, m: 28 Sep 1602 in Dallington, Sussex, England, d: Abt. 1650
......3 Freegift Olliver b: Abt. 1590 in Dallington, Sussex, England, d: 09 Jan 1619 in Dallington, Sussex, England + Thomas Wayte VIGOR b: 17 Nov 1580 in Bexhill, Sussex, England, m: 20 Jun 1614 in Dallington, Sussex, England, d: 06 Jun 1660 in Dallington, Sussex, England
This man named Captain Edward Olliver was certainly living during the time that a man named Captain Olliver was transporting people from England to Virginia. Some members of the Goldinge family were among his transports. (See Gaulding Origins, 9:1 The Immigrants to Virginia, Original Immigrant Deeds and Patents) If he was the same man who was from Dallington, Sussex, England married to Annis Greeyer, then he was the brother of Annis or Agnes (Olliver) Goldinge who was married to Thomas Golding born 1577 in Warbleton, Sussex. That Thomas Goldinge was probably not the same Thomas who immigrated to Virginia because he died before 1639, but he might have been Thomas the Immigrant’s father or some other older relative.
1636 - On November 21, 1636 Edward Olliver received 50 acres in James City on the Elizabeth River but he did not transport any people (Nugent #493)
1639 - THOMAS GOLDING and DOROTHY GOLDING went on April 16, 1639 to Chickahominy River, James City, Virginia. Their sponsor was Edward Oliver. To put the time into historic context, 1639 was the year Virginia retaliated against New England by passing severe restrictions against the Puritans. Other passengers were John Smith, Thomas Grindall, William Graves, Richard Baker, John Turner, Francis Webster, Thomas Boughton, George Barker, ANN EDMONDS, Thomas Edwards, servants to Xpher (meaning “Christopher”) Edwards. (Nugent #1026, #668) "Xpher" means Christopher Edwards, which evidently means Indentured servants to Christopher Edwards.
The property is described: South side of Chichahominy river S.E. & N.W. into the woods S.W. Sly. At by the name of Mattahunch, 150 due by assignment from John Brodwell & 300 for trans of Thomas Edwards. Upon the E side of Chichahominy River at by the name of Pynie Point W upon the River N by E upon the upper Creek & S.E.E. upon Chechqeroes Baye 1 May 1638 p 562 Due in right of trans THOMAS GOLDING and DOROTHY GOLDING.
"Piney Point on the Chickahominy River" - The Chickahominy is an 87-mile river located at the mouth of the James. It served as the eastern border of Charles City County. There no longer seems to be a place on the river called "Chechqeroes Bay".
Christopher and Thomas Edwards - On page 27 of Early Virginia Families Along the James River there is an entry that reads "WILLIAM DAVIS, 200 acres James Citty Co., 4 May 1639, p 646. Adjacent land lately granted to ALEXANDER STONER & running into the woods E. by N. Due by assignment from CHRISTOPHER EDWARDS." On page 28 of the same book an entry reads "EDWARD OLIVER, James City County., 16 Apr. 1639 p 640.
At the head & upon the N. side of the Chichahominy Riv. called by the Indians with the name Custipa, E. upon a great Sw. Due for trans. of 6 pers: John Turner, Francis Webster, Tho. Boughton, Georg Barker, ANN EDMONDS, THOMAS EDWARDS. Note: This pattent surrendered & land taken up to the former pattent."
Alexander Stoner came to Virginia in 1638 with John Golding and settled on the Chickahominy River.
Does this suggest that Thomas Goldinge, Dorothy Golding and John Golding were related and all from Dallington in Sussex and settled on the south side of the Chickahominy River in Virginia? Maybe. The Bishop’s Transcripts of both Dallington and Warbleton in Sussex, England have a great many of the family Goulding or Goldinge and also Olliver. Those families seem to have originated in Warbleton and some of them including Thomas Goldinge (not the Immigrant) born 1577 moved to Dallington.
Olliver of Massachusetts
Captain Olliver is connected through the will of Roger Harlakenden to a man named Goldinge, who I believe was a member of the Golding family of Poslingford. As far as I know, there is no connection between that family and John “of New Kent” who immigrated to Virginia. Captain Thomas Prentice has an interesting history, however.
Captain Thomas Olliver and Grace Prentice, daughter of Capt. Thomas “Trooper” Prentice
1 Captain Thomas OLLIVER b: 12 Dec 1645 in Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, USA, d: 01 Nov 1715 in Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, USA + Grace Prentice b: 1648 in England, m: 27 Nov 1667 in Cambridge, Middlesex, Massachusetts, USA, d: 31 Jul 1681 in Newton, Middlesex, Massachusetts, USA + Mary Wilson b: 22 Jun 1661 in Roxbury, Suffolk, Massachusetts, USA, m: 14 Dec 1672 in Middlesex, Massachusetts, USA, d: 02 Dec 1729 in Groton, Middlesex, Massachusetts, USA
...2 Abigail Olliver b: 25 Mar 1697 in Cambridge, Middlesex, Massachusetts, USA, d: 13 Sep 1765 in Groton, Middlesex, Massachusetts, USA + Benjamin PRESCOTT b: 04 Jan 1696 in Groton, Middlesex, Massachusetts, USA, m: 1718 in Massachusetts, USA, d: 03 Aug 1738 in Groton, Middlesex, Massachusetts, USA
1 Capt. Thomas "Trooper" PRENTICE b: 1620 in Nazeing, Epping Forest District, Essex, England, d: 07 Jul 1709 in Newton, Middlesex, Massachusetts, USA + Grace Bull b: 1620 in Essex, England, m: 08 Jul 1647 in Earls Colne, Essex, England, d: 09 Oct 1692 in Newton, Middlesex, Massachusetts, USA
...2 Grace Prentice b: 1648 in England, d: 31 Jul 1681 in Newton, Middlesex, Massachusetts, USA + Captain Thomas OLLIVER b: 12 Dec 1645 in Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, USA, m: 27 Nov 1667 in Cambridge, Middlesex, Massachusetts, USA, d: 01 Nov 1715 in Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, USA.
Who was the “Goldinge” named in the will of Roger Harlakenden?
Prentice, Fitch, Stanton, Denison, Mason and Peck families were connected by marriage
Thomas Prentice is named along with "Goldinge" in the will of Roger Harlakenden. He is the same man as Captain Thomas “Trooper” Prentice. The Prentice, Fitch, Stanton, Denison, Mason and Peck families of the time were all related by marriage, Captain Thomas Prentice being a 1st cousin (through his wife's family) of Major John Mason, but I think it is more likely family members knew each through their military service.” (See Gaulding Origins, 5:2 New England Connections Chancery Suit filed by Roger Golding and relationship to the Parmenter Family)
It may be mere coincidence that Joseph Parmenter also served under Thomas Prentice, but there was a connection back in England between his family and the Golding Family that lived near Poslingford. Both Captain Thomas Prentice and Major Roger Goulding, the son of Peter Goulding of Sudbury, Massachusetts participated in the Great Swamp Fight during King Philip’s War.
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